Rome.ogv
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Above is a song I was writing for my sister’s wedding. Unfortunately I never finished it and logistics got in the way of me bringing a guitar to Italy (namely I didn’t want to lug a guitar all around Italy). I thought I would record it using my Cannon PowerShot camera and edit it with Jokosher and PiTiVi to see how far our tools have gone.
I have to say it was fairly easy but I still ran into issues. As far as UI Goes PiTiVi is much easier to use than Jokosher in terms of organizing what I wanted to do. I really only needed Jokosher to tweak the sound a bit but it was still a bit of trial and error to get something decent. I used the high and low pass filters to filter out background noise and echo from my room. Jokosher lacks a basic noise filter effect which can be implemented manually in most other editors by taking a sample of the ambient noise and phase shifting it 180 degrees so the ambient noise is canceled out. Unfortunately the solid bar UI which departs from the usual wave graph makes it impossible to do this by hand. In any case the low and high pass filters worked fairly well to get the most annoying twangs and hisses out.
Another issue is not being able to mark cutin and cutout points and have PiTiVi sync the video with these point. I essentially had to do minimal processing in Jokosher so I could easily sync the video to the edited sound in PiTiVi. It would have been nice to trim the audio in Jokosher and when I imported it into PiTiVi, had it sync up to the correct points in the video. Manually doing that in PiTiVi is hard because of the timeline scale and the fact that it is exclusively drag and drop. It would be nice to be able to enter exact values or load markup metadata so I could snap to my cuts. Once the audio is in PiTiVi we are stuck with PiTiVi’s audio tools which will never be as complete as Jokosher’s (assuming Jokosher gets some development love). It would be nice to be able to jump back and forth between the two.
All that being said, once I planned out what I wanted to do it took no time at all to do it for a video as simple as this. It might not be all roses and honey yet but it is much better than it has been. The next step is to start multi-tracking in Jokosher and syncing it to a video. We shall see.
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Wow a real user with some real goals. You do not know how rare you are. Would you mind documenting your desired work flow step by step so we can try to optimize the UI for it?
People keep telling us that Pitivi and Jokosher integration would be awesome but it would be nice to know exactly what should be integrated.
I’m one of the main authors of Jokosher btw. I can’t promise I will have much time for this in the next 6 months but after that I’d love to give the integration a try.
Comment by Laszlo Pandy — November 2, 2009 @ 5:34 pm
“Unfortunately the solid bar UI which departs from the usual wave graph makes it impossible to do this by hand.”
I pointed this problem out way back when macslow did it initially, but I was ignored. It was clear from his design that he’d never used a sample editor and had no idea what the funny wavey lines actually represented.
Comment by iain — November 2, 2009 @ 7:54 pm
Oh, and it would be possible in marlin, but it would still be awkward…althought would be easy enough to implement, all the required features are there in the code, it would just require some code to glue them together.
Comment by iain — November 2, 2009 @ 7:56 pm
We don’t consider the lack of samples view/wave graph in Jokosher a “problem”. I have used a sample editor, but Jokosher is definitely not a sample editor which is why we have kept the volume waveform instead of a sample one.
Jokosher is a multitracker and is meant to mix pieces together. Now for j5’s use case it certainty would be helpful to have wave editing capabilities in Jokosher, and we would like to have it integrated with Jokosher for this reason.
We would probably add it if we had time.
It would be a separate window or mode where you can edit a single file that takes up the entire screen and let you fiddle with the samples easily. The current UI shows multiple tracks at once (only 77px each vertically) and was never designed for that.
Comment by Laszlo Pandy — November 2, 2009 @ 10:26 pm
Good enough to add to my music videos collection, awesome dude
Comment by Karl Lattimer — November 3, 2009 @ 7:58 am