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	<title>Comments on: 10 thoughts on what is needed for the Linux Desktop to win</title>
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		<title>By: Thibauld</title>
		<link>http://www.j5live.com/2009/02/01/10-thoughts-on-what-is-needed-for-the-linux-desktop-to-win/comment-page-1/#comment-20047</link>
		<dc:creator>Thibauld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At allmyapps, we&#039;re working towards making #4 a reality... I agree the foss community is not a strong supporter of the idea but it has to be done if we want to see the linux market expand. Hopefully, technical solutions exists to make #4 a reality and we&#039;re already working to prove it :)
As we&#039;re building an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allmyapps.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;app store for Linux&lt;/a&gt;, it is one of our challenge to provide solutions to developers to be able to deploy / sell your product on every distro out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At allmyapps, we&#8217;re working towards making #4 a reality&#8230; I agree the foss community is not a strong supporter of the idea but it has to be done if we want to see the linux market expand. Hopefully, technical solutions exists to make #4 a reality and we&#8217;re already working to prove it <img src='http://www.j5live.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
As we&#8217;re building an <a href="http://www.allmyapps.com" rel="nofollow">app store for Linux</a>, it is one of our challenge to provide solutions to developers to be able to deploy / sell your product on every distro out there.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlyChango</title>
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		<dc:creator>CharlyChango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 100% with Perry Lorier. It&#039;s also what points #5 and #6 say. 

Distributions are so focused on the &quot;desktop&quot; user, whatever that means because is such a big thing, that in the end they&#039;re just a bunch of software put together without any clear direction. What drives desktop Linux? Nothing! Do you know what drives the Mac? If you watch this old Steve Job&#039;s video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9dmcRbuTMY) about the NeXT Computer Business you will find that it hasn&#039;t changed a bit. They&#039;re still a Worsktation company, and what drives them is pulling out power in professional applications and developers. For example, they have the best audio core because they want to put the best audio apps, they&#039;re investing in the LLVM Compiler, OpenCL, Grand Central because they want to make the best future multicore &amp; GPU computing possible. Do you think they want this for desktop computing? No! What pushes them to improve are the pro applications this things could have. If you stop a little bit and think about the Linux Server, that focus was also what made improve this much. 

You have desktop Linux on the other side. They&#039;re just a bunch of software put out together and driven by nothing. They don&#039;t care changing OSS for Alsa for PulseAudio for whatever... as long as it still plays music. As Perry Lorier pointed out, the X Server is loosing it&#039;s meaning, because all the important features that made it different are getting no use on this desktop meaningless focus. 

And what should a developer choose as a platform? If distributions don&#039;t care about changing 1 for 2, what should we do? Package Managers can be seen as a solution, or as noted here maybe they&#039;re more part of the problem. KDE 4 libraries have a separated layer (like a façade) to abstract developers from the underlying implementation that it&#039;s a good start also. I still haven&#039;t seen an easy way to produce my code and after that, just pack my software so a PM can use it. The problem with libraries and Major / Minor versions didn&#039;t exist before PM became too sophisticated. 

You know, Linux is such a powerful platform for trying new things. Linux should be the top of Lance of OS. But all improvements will get hidden because probably their application on the desktop is not obvious at first sight. There&#039;s incredible great professional OSS, like Osirix for medical 3D imaging (built for the Mac), clustering with Beowulf (can you imagine what would become if we made this thing a lot easier to use?), X Server (interacting with applications which are run from different computers), dbus...

I really think a change of perspective can work for Linux. Instead of focusing on Personal Computing (desktop), focus on Professional, and the other will come. I&#039;m already working on it, so if someone has any suggestion or likes the idea, maybe we can work out something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 100% with Perry Lorier. It&#8217;s also what points #5 and #6 say. </p>
<p>Distributions are so focused on the &#8220;desktop&#8221; user, whatever that means because is such a big thing, that in the end they&#8217;re just a bunch of software put together without any clear direction. What drives desktop Linux? Nothing! Do you know what drives the Mac? If you watch this old Steve Job&#8217;s video (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9dmcRbuTMY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9dmcRbuTMY</a>) about the NeXT Computer Business you will find that it hasn&#8217;t changed a bit. They&#8217;re still a Worsktation company, and what drives them is pulling out power in professional applications and developers. For example, they have the best audio core because they want to put the best audio apps, they&#8217;re investing in the LLVM Compiler, OpenCL, Grand Central because they want to make the best future multicore &amp; GPU computing possible. Do you think they want this for desktop computing? No! What pushes them to improve are the pro applications this things could have. If you stop a little bit and think about the Linux Server, that focus was also what made improve this much. </p>
<p>You have desktop Linux on the other side. They&#8217;re just a bunch of software put out together and driven by nothing. They don&#8217;t care changing OSS for Alsa for PulseAudio for whatever&#8230; as long as it still plays music. As Perry Lorier pointed out, the X Server is loosing it&#8217;s meaning, because all the important features that made it different are getting no use on this desktop meaningless focus. </p>
<p>And what should a developer choose as a platform? If distributions don&#8217;t care about changing 1 for 2, what should we do? Package Managers can be seen as a solution, or as noted here maybe they&#8217;re more part of the problem. KDE 4 libraries have a separated layer (like a façade) to abstract developers from the underlying implementation that it&#8217;s a good start also. I still haven&#8217;t seen an easy way to produce my code and after that, just pack my software so a PM can use it. The problem with libraries and Major / Minor versions didn&#8217;t exist before PM became too sophisticated. </p>
<p>You know, Linux is such a powerful platform for trying new things. Linux should be the top of Lance of OS. But all improvements will get hidden because probably their application on the desktop is not obvious at first sight. There&#8217;s incredible great professional OSS, like Osirix for medical 3D imaging (built for the Mac), clustering with Beowulf (can you imagine what would become if we made this thing a lot easier to use?), X Server (interacting with applications which are run from different computers), dbus&#8230;</p>
<p>I really think a change of perspective can work for Linux. Instead of focusing on Personal Computing (desktop), focus on Professional, and the other will come. I&#8217;m already working on it, so if someone has any suggestion or likes the idea, maybe we can work out something.</p>
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		<title>By: J5</title>
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		<dc:creator>J5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nicu

But where do you get those books and movies?  From some type of service (might be p2p).  If the netbook maker could make that seamless, it is going to win out in the market place plus generate revenue for the netbook vendor.  Now someone may use a p2p service and you may think it is (little f) free but it costs in time and effort to find what you want at the quality you want.  Why do you think iTunes makes money when you can get mp3&#039;s for free?

As far as RFID&#039;s are concerned, they are scary but you can&#039;t let that stop innovation.  The Internet has a lot of scary uses too.  Personally if I want people to know who I am I want to be able to do it as easily as possible with enough safe gaurds in place so that when I don&#039;t want someone getting my info they can&#039;t.  For example, I have a frquent flier card.  I love it when they say, &quot;Hello, Mr. Palmieri, welcome back&quot;.  Now if I didn&#039;t have any relationship with them that would be scary.  While the information stored in that card can be abused it is equally a tool for my convenience.  RFID&#039;s make it easier to abuse but it is hard to just dismiss it out of hand when that would mean I would have to do the same for any technology that could be used for evil purposes (and that is all technology).  Use in a national ID card though is something I would be against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicu</p>
<p>But where do you get those books and movies?  From some type of service (might be p2p).  If the netbook maker could make that seamless, it is going to win out in the market place plus generate revenue for the netbook vendor.  Now someone may use a p2p service and you may think it is (little f) free but it costs in time and effort to find what you want at the quality you want.  Why do you think iTunes makes money when you can get mp3&#8217;s for free?</p>
<p>As far as RFID&#8217;s are concerned, they are scary but you can&#8217;t let that stop innovation.  The Internet has a lot of scary uses too.  Personally if I want people to know who I am I want to be able to do it as easily as possible with enough safe gaurds in place so that when I don&#8217;t want someone getting my info they can&#8217;t.  For example, I have a frquent flier card.  I love it when they say, &#8220;Hello, Mr. Palmieri, welcome back&#8221;.  Now if I didn&#8217;t have any relationship with them that would be scary.  While the information stored in that card can be abused it is equally a tool for my convenience.  RFID&#8217;s make it easier to abuse but it is hard to just dismiss it out of hand when that would mean I would have to do the same for any technology that could be used for evil purposes (and that is all technology).  Use in a national ID card though is something I would be against.</p>
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		<title>By: nicu</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 08:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But my netbook has plenty of storage space, I took care of that when purchasing it, so I can very well read the books as PDFs from there, watch a movie the same way, maybe play a game... only if the battery would last enough.

As for barcode reading, I fear the biometric ID cards with RFIDs will be rollev over in EU quite soon (AFAIK, really soon in my country) and at the airport terminal I will only have to hear &quot;Hello Mr. Yukkamoto and welcome back! &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But my netbook has plenty of storage space, I took care of that when purchasing it, so I can very well read the books as PDFs from there, watch a movie the same way, maybe play a game&#8230; only if the battery would last enough.</p>
<p>As for barcode reading, I fear the biometric ID cards with RFIDs will be rollev over in EU quite soon (AFAIK, really soon in my country) and at the airport terminal I will only have to hear &#8220;Hello Mr. Yukkamoto and welcome back! &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: J5</title>
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		<dc:creator>J5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nicu - What commercial open source services? Google already ties everything to their services.  The netbook doesn&#039;t have to tie to one service.  They can make deals with any service provider just as long as the experience is as seamless as iTunes.  If an open source provider can beat the proprietary service in the market all the better but waiting for that to happen before you develop a consumer Linux Desktop is basically giving the market to Apple, Microsoft, GOOGLE, etc.  These things have to be developed in tandem and meet in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nicu &#8211; What commercial open source services? Google already ties everything to their services.  The netbook doesn&#8217;t have to tie to one service.  They can make deals with any service provider just as long as the experience is as seamless as iTunes.  If an open source provider can beat the proprietary service in the market all the better but waiting for that to happen before you develop a consumer Linux Desktop is basically giving the market to Apple, Microsoft, GOOGLE, etc.  These things have to be developed in tandem and meet in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: J5</title>
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		<dc:creator>J5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stormy

How about a netbook/phone combo where the phone is the processor but you have a dock with a bigger screen.  That is really rethinking the form factor.</description>
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<p>How about a netbook/phone combo where the phone is the processor but you have a dock with a bigger screen.  That is really rethinking the form factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does there have to be a &quot;winner&quot; anyway?  If I wanted to be in a competition, I&#039;d play poker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does there have to be a &#8220;winner&#8221; anyway?  If I wanted to be in a competition, I&#8217;d play poker.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or instead of buying a $300 netbook, you use your smartphone/device and download applications as you go/as you need them. 

And I might decide to do it all on my phone because I don&#039;t want to carry anything else and my SO might bring along a netbook or a tablet because he wants a bigger screen to watch his movies on. And we could both do all the things you described on very different devices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or instead of buying a $300 netbook, you use your smartphone/device and download applications as you go/as you need them. </p>
<p>And I might decide to do it all on my phone because I don&#8217;t want to carry anything else and my SO might bring along a netbook or a tablet because he wants a bigger screen to watch his movies on. And we could both do all the things you described on very different devices.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kofler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Kofler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 07:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nicu: +1, I&#039;m worried a lot about this trend of integrating with proprietary web services. Even more so when you have no choice because the services are &quot;tied&quot; with the netbook you bought. This may be even more worrying than the idea of app stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nicu: +1, I&#8217;m worried a lot about this trend of integrating with proprietary web services. Even more so when you have no choice because the services are &#8220;tied&#8221; with the netbook you bought. This may be even more worrying than the idea of app stores.</p>
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		<title>By: nicu</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like in your &quot;traveller&quot; scenario, the user is completely locked in some proprietary services (Netflix, Amazon, whatever streaming the airline is using, etc.), so you liberate your desktop by using Linux only to get locked again at the next step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like in your &#8220;traveller&#8221; scenario, the user is completely locked in some proprietary services (Netflix, Amazon, whatever streaming the airline is using, etc.), so you liberate your desktop by using Linux only to get locked again at the next step.</p>
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