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		<title>By: bochecha</title>
		<link>http://www.j5live.com/2008/11/04/just-voted/comment-page-1/#comment-19700</link>
		<dc:creator>bochecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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How does the envelope thing work when you have about 20 or 30 things to vote on? It seems like it wouldn’t scale.
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Simple: we don&#039;t vote for a lot of stuff in the same time. this would only be confusing, and it&#039;s a great way to have people accept anything.

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It would also be possible to overvote, and it would not be caught until the ballot was counted.
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Nope. The poll worker can see you only insert *one* enveloppe. And you can&#039;t come back a second time as you have to sign a paper and present your ID card as well as your voting card. Of course, your voting card is related to the one and only place you have to vote (which you chose previously).

If you can&#039;t go to this place to vote, you can give someone else the right to vote for you. In this case, you lose the right to vote yourself, so you can&#039;t overvote.

Really, not trust issues, no complicated process, anonimity,... The only problem is the waste of paper. But as it can be recycled, it&#039;s less a problem than those posed by the use of &quot;voting machines&quot;</description>
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How does the envelope thing work when you have about 20 or 30 things to vote on? It seems like it wouldn’t scale.<br />
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<p>Simple: we don&#8217;t vote for a lot of stuff in the same time. this would only be confusing, and it&#8217;s a great way to have people accept anything.</p>
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It would also be possible to overvote, and it would not be caught until the ballot was counted.<br />
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<p>Nope. The poll worker can see you only insert *one* enveloppe. And you can&#8217;t come back a second time as you have to sign a paper and present your ID card as well as your voting card. Of course, your voting card is related to the one and only place you have to vote (which you chose previously).</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t go to this place to vote, you can give someone else the right to vote for you. In this case, you lose the right to vote yourself, so you can&#8217;t overvote.</p>
<p>Really, not trust issues, no complicated process, anonimity,&#8230; The only problem is the waste of paper. But as it can be recycled, it&#8217;s less a problem than those posed by the use of &#8220;voting machines&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t those old mechanical machines brilliant?  They show you exactly what you&#039;re going to vote for, all at once, and if you change your mind you can change your vote before you commit.

No other system I&#039;ve used can say the same.  Since I&#039;ve been in California, I&#039;ve voted using punch cards with a pin (seriously, not even with those awful Florida-style things that caused all the hanging chad issues); similar cards where you had to find a tiny box and fill it in with a Sharpie; those iffy electronic machines, both with and without a cash register receipt printing on the side (actually, I did a paper ballot with the machines without a paper trail); and, this year, back to paper ballots where you had to fill in the space between an arrow head and tail, only you had to do it as a single line (or, I hope, completely blacked in).

The mechanical machines are by far the best technology I&#039;ve ever used.  The whole wonderful interaction between the lever and the curtain and all the levers clicking to clear your vote for the next person just adds to the experience.

Somehow, it seems like making life easy for the voter has taken a massive step backwards toward making life easy for the counters, no matter what effect it has on the voters and on your certainty about your vote.  Why does this problem seem to be so hard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t those old mechanical machines brilliant?  They show you exactly what you&#8217;re going to vote for, all at once, and if you change your mind you can change your vote before you commit.</p>
<p>No other system I&#8217;ve used can say the same.  Since I&#8217;ve been in California, I&#8217;ve voted using punch cards with a pin (seriously, not even with those awful Florida-style things that caused all the hanging chad issues); similar cards where you had to find a tiny box and fill it in with a Sharpie; those iffy electronic machines, both with and without a cash register receipt printing on the side (actually, I did a paper ballot with the machines without a paper trail); and, this year, back to paper ballots where you had to fill in the space between an arrow head and tail, only you had to do it as a single line (or, I hope, completely blacked in).</p>
<p>The mechanical machines are by far the best technology I&#8217;ve ever used.  The whole wonderful interaction between the lever and the curtain and all the levers clicking to clear your vote for the next person just adds to the experience.</p>
<p>Somehow, it seems like making life easy for the voter has taken a massive step backwards toward making life easy for the counters, no matter what effect it has on the voters and on your certainty about your vote.  Why does this problem seem to be so hard?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the envelope thing work when you have about 20 or 30 things to vote on? It seems like it wouldn&#039;t scale. It would also be possible to overvote, and it would not be caught until the ballot was counted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the envelope thing work when you have about 20 or 30 things to vote on? It seems like it wouldn&#8217;t scale. It would also be possible to overvote, and it would not be caught until the ballot was counted.</p>
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		<title>By: bochecha</title>
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		<dc:creator>bochecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In France, we take one paper for each candidate, then we go to an &quot;isoloir&quot; (small room behind a curtain).

In this room, you put the one paper for your candidate in an enveloppe and then get out of this &quot;isoloir&quot;.

Then, you simply insert your closed enveloppe in a box which is transparent (so that the poll worker can see you only insert one enveloppe).

That&#039;s simple, it involves no trust in anyone, your vote remains totally anonymous and you can&#039;t be coerced to vote for someone.

Not a bad method IMHO...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In France, we take one paper for each candidate, then we go to an &#8220;isoloir&#8221; (small room behind a curtain).</p>
<p>In this room, you put the one paper for your candidate in an enveloppe and then get out of this &#8220;isoloir&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then, you simply insert your closed enveloppe in a box which is transparent (so that the poll worker can see you only insert one enveloppe).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s simple, it involves no trust in anyone, your vote remains totally anonymous and you can&#8217;t be coerced to vote for someone.</p>
<p>Not a bad method IMHO&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scanner method is by far the simplest and most accurate. You know before you leave if your ballot scans, and there is a full paper trail for a recount.

All states should use this type, no silly hanging chads, no diebold, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scanner method is by far the simplest and most accurate. You know before you leave if your ballot scans, and there is a full paper trail for a recount.</p>
<p>All states should use this type, no silly hanging chads, no diebold, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ulrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the only system I know about... you pick any number of party cards on the outside, bring them to a booth, make any pencil markings if any on one of them and put it in the envelope. then you hand the closed envelope to the poll worker and you&#039;re done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the only system I know about&#8230; you pick any number of party cards on the outside, bring them to a booth, make any pencil markings if any on one of them and put it in the envelope. then you hand the closed envelope to the poll worker and you&#8217;re done.</p>
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