Comments on: Interesting (rough) statistics at the GNOME distributed RCS BOF http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/ Where the urethane hits the pavement Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:34:18 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Interstellar Medium: the Free Software carnival » Free Software Carnival: 5 – 11 July http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19293 Interstellar Medium: the Free Software carnival » Free Software Carnival: 5 – 11 July Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:33:45 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19293 [...] Palmieri reports that git has the numbers, Tim Penhey replies “not those [...] [...] Palmieri reports that git has the numbers, Tim Penhey replies “not those [...]

]]> By: James Henstridge http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19274 James Henstridge Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:59:00 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19274 J5: I'd say that there were roughly twice as many git users who put up there hands, with some overlap between the two (less than I'd have liked to see -- those people have a better chance of seeing the similarities and differences between the tools). Bazaar advocacy is the reason Canonical paid for me to come, but the reason I agreed to come is because it is GUADEC. There are a lot of other things worth discussing. There was another session held after the first one that seemed a lot more productive, discussing what was actually required of a new revision control system. My feeling was that both Git and Bazaar were missing required features, so there is work to do either way. J5: I’d say that there were roughly twice as many git users who put up there hands, with some overlap between the two (less than I’d have liked to see — those people have a better chance of seeing the similarities and differences between the tools).

Bazaar advocacy is the reason Canonical paid for me to come, but the reason I agreed to come is because it is GUADEC. There are a lot of other things worth discussing.

There was another session held after the first one that seemed a lot more productive, discussing what was actually required of a new revision control system. My feeling was that both Git and Bazaar were missing required features, so there is work to do either way.

]]> By: Sean http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19272 Sean Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:47:45 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19272 I don't understand this fan boyish banter over RCS. SVN works now. You can use various mirrors if you have distributed itch to scratch. I would far rather see people focused on the code rather than the RCS du jour. Sean I don’t understand this fan boyish banter over RCS. SVN works now. You can use various mirrors if you have distributed itch to scratch. I would far rather see people focused on the code rather than the RCS du jour.

Sean

]]> By: J5 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19270 J5 Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:22:34 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19270 Keep your pants on. I just wrote what I saw and they were only rough estimates taken for a sea of hands on the git side and just a smattering of people from the Bazaar side. It even surprised me. Read into it any way you like. James, be honest now, if you were to give a ratio of git to bzr hands would you say it was a landslide in git's favour and bzr and Hg were around the same number? I would say so. "So we can conclude that git users are more likely to attend version control bofs at Guadec." - Mikkel You can assume what you want but don't dismiss the data as being irrelevant, especially in light of the fact James had said the only reason he came was specifically to attend the version control sessions. So there are people sent to defend bzr but a good sampling of GNOME users already use git. That is totally relevant to the argument since that is representative of our target audience. Vincent - you too are dismissing real data. First of all git is sound because well, it has proven itself on projects large and small. A lot of those projects are the foundation on which GNOME is built on. Would you say GNOME is not sound because it is built on top of projects which use git? Also no choices have been made, just stating what I saw and with landslides like those it is hard to back other alternatives. Keep your pants on. I just wrote what I saw and they were only rough estimates taken for a sea of hands on the git side and just a smattering of people from the Bazaar side. It even surprised me. Read into it any way you like.

James, be honest now, if you were to give a ratio of git to bzr hands would you say it was a landslide in git’s favour and bzr and Hg were around the same number? I would say so.

“So we can conclude that git users are more likely to attend version control bofs at Guadec.” – Mikkel

You can assume what you want but don’t dismiss the data as being irrelevant, especially in light of the fact James had said the only reason he came was specifically to attend the version control sessions. So there are people sent to defend bzr but a good sampling of GNOME users already use git. That is totally relevant to the argument since that is representative of our target audience.

Vincent – you too are dismissing real data. First of all git is sound because well, it has proven itself on projects large and small. A lot of those projects are the foundation on which GNOME is built on. Would you say GNOME is not sound because it is built on top of projects which use git? Also no choices have been made, just stating what I saw and with landslides like those it is hard to back other alternatives.

]]> By: Vincent Geddes http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19269 Vincent Geddes Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:43:47 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19269 @Jeff What FUD? I never said anything bad about git. I was just saying that it is unwise to make choices based on popularity alone. @Jeff

What FUD? I never said anything bad about git. I was just saying that it is unwise to make choices based on popularity alone.

]]> By: Jeff Ollie http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19268 Jeff Ollie Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:14:23 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19268 @Vince So nice of you to share your FUD by only citing negative examples of the network effect. The network effect can also be a positive force, examples can be seen in Wikipedia, or the Internet itself. @Vince

So nice of you to share your FUD by only citing negative examples of the network effect. The network effect can also be a positive force, examples can be seen in Wikipedia, or the Internet itself.

]]> By: Vincent Geddes http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19267 Vincent Geddes Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:25:29 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19267 Even if git is more popular than bazaar in certain circles, popularity itself does not imply that git is actually sound. What it does mean is that git is benefiting from network effects [1]. Some examples of inherently flawed (but popular) products which demonstrate this principle are Autotools, MS-Windows, QWERTY keyboard, etc. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect Even if git is more popular than bazaar in certain circles, popularity itself does not imply that git is actually sound. What it does mean is that git is benefiting from network effects [1]. Some examples of inherently flawed (but popular) products which demonstrate this principle are Autotools, MS-Windows, QWERTY keyboard, etc.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

]]> By: Alberto Ruiz http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19265 Alberto Ruiz Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:37:58 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19265 How many of the Git users have used another DVCS to compare? or... how many of the Git users are git users because of freedesktop.org choice and how many tried different DVCS recently? So git is more popular at the moment. So? How many of the Git users have used another DVCS to compare?
or… how many of the Git users are git users because of freedesktop.org choice and how many tried different DVCS recently?

So git is more popular at the moment. So?

]]> By: Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19264 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:33:18 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19264 So we can conclude that git users are more likely to attend version control bofs at Guadec. So we can conclude that git users are more likely to attend version control bofs at Guadec.

]]> By: James Henstridge http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/comment-page-1/#comment-19263 James Henstridge Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:04:55 +0000 http://www.j5live.com/2008/07/07/interesting-rough-statistics-at-the-gnome-distributed-rcs-bof/#comment-19263 Were you at the same BOF as me? A fair number of people didn't raise there hands at all. Were you at the same BOF as me? A fair number of people didn’t raise there hands at all.

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